Friday, August 15, 2008

Haldimand "Karen Best, Janet Fraser, Bob Liddycoat, Kudo's to You"

Kudo's to Karen Best!

The following is an update on Janet Fraser's request to speak to Haldimand County Council. Karen you hit the nail on the head once again!

I have only one comment to make, residents like Janet Fraser are what makes Haldimand County a great place to live! Hard working, caring, passionate individuals. Keep up the Good Work Janet!

Council refuses to hear delegation

Posted 6 hours ago

Janet Fraser cannot remain silent and will step forward to ensure Haldimand County residents have the information they need on energy generation options.

If anything, her resolve was strengthened after Haldimand County council rejected her request to make a presentation in opposition to a nuclear power. Two earlier requests were turned down.

At their Aug. 5 committee meeting, five council members voted to deny Fraser a chance to speak to them. Coun. Lorne Boyko and Mayor Marie Trainer voted against the refusal.

A member of the Grand Erie Energy Quest (GEEQ), Fraser said the group will host an energy symposium tentatively scheduled for early November. It was in the works long before council's decision last week.

"We felt we have to do what our council is not doing," said Fraser who lives in Cayuga. "The most important thing is for Haldimand County residents to be informed."

The symposium will be an opportunity for public discussion on energy options including nuclear power, coal fired generation and renewable sources.

Haldimand-Norfolk MPP Toby Barrett was invited to meet with the group and agreed to facilitate the symposium which will be similar to one he presented last year. Energy organizations will register through his office and a committee will decide who will speak at the meeting. He said the forum will be neutral and objective.

Because energy generation and production is of interest to people in Haldimand and Norfolk Counties, he said the symposium will probably take place in Jarvis. It's important to get people from both counties in the room, he said. His legislative assistant, Rob Willett, will manage the event.

Even though the Grand Erie Energy Quest was organizing their own public meeting, members fully expected that Fraser would be allowed to speak to council. Shocked and disappointed at the news, she learned a week ago that council decided her presentation was not necessary at this time.

"I find it hard to believe a council would refuse to hear a citizen's input on something so important for this area," she said this week. "It's just mindboggling...I feel we have no representation or voice."

She pointed out that Norfolk County council allowed delegations and that Hamilton council listened to a few speakers who wanted Hamilton declared a nuclear-free zone.

In June, Coun. Lorne Boyko raised the issue of delegations on items not included in the agenda. At a council meeting that month, council agreed to hear developer Jamie McMaster's presentation on Six Nations acquisition of land and the impact on the municipality's tax base. The issue was not part of the agenda. Similarly a nuclear power plant application has not been on the agenda but council did pay for part of an economic impact study of a plant and received the findings at a meeting.

In the past, non-agenda related delegations have been allowed. In 2004, George Roik of Dunnville spoke to council about a forensic audit of county finances.

As a result of Boyko's insistence, Fraser's request was scheduled for discussion at the Aug. 5 meeting.

During discussions that day, Coun. Tony Dalimonte said he regretted that council allowed McMaster's delegation and said that council should have had copies of his presentation prior to it being made.

Dalimonte, who is chair of the planning committee, said the county would hold a public meeting as required by Ontario law if a planning application for a plant came forward. He also thought council had previously agreed to holding one or more meetings in different county locations if a nuclear plant was proposed. While not in favour of hearing Fraser's delegation, he did say letters to the clerk would be okay.

Coun. Don Ricker also supported holding two open houses on such a large issue as a nuclear power plant. In January, the Dunnville autodrome public meeting drew a large audience and provided an opportunity for input, he added.

Coun. Buck Sloat noted that public meetings are part of the environmental assessment process.
"We encourage people not do special presentations," said planning and economic development general manager Craig Manley. "The county will have large meetings when required."

Last year at a few public meetings, Bruce Power president Duncan Hawthorne spoke about the benefits of having over $3 billion invested in a nuclear plant in the Nanticoke industrial park. Economic impacts would include 1,200 jobs, over $2 million in property taxes and at least $180 million injected into the local economy, he stated.

Before a plant can even be considered, three years would be spent on $20 million environmental assessment.

No project is underway in Haldimand County, according to Steve Cannon, media relations manager for Bruce Power.

Even so, a plant in the municipality has not been entirely ruled out.

"There's always an interest in Nanticoke," he said. "People have expressed an interest in forward looking and planning in the community... As long as that interest remains, it will always be an area of interest (for Bruce Power)."

If an environmental assessment is launched in Haldimand County, full public consultation and input gathering will be part of the process, noted Cannon.

Other projects are presently on the books for Bruce Power. Feasibility studies are underway in Saskatchewan and Alberta and as are environmental assessments on reactor refurbishment and new reactor construction at the BruceAand Bpowergeneratingstations in Tiverton, Ontario. On the shores of Lake Huron, the plants are located between Kincardine and Port Elgin.
Article ID# 1157760

The following is related to the issues of residents not having their voices heard. Although Bob Liddycoat is not an "unheard voice", he is the editor of the Dunnville Chronicle and his words are wise;


Posted 3 hours ago

Rage and rant against the world again Ain't nobody listening to you
Scream and shout into the wind in vain
-John Kay, Steppenwolf

It seems the unique problems facing Haldimand County are having equally unique effects on both citizens and government officials here.

The results are by no means scientific, but recent comments, letters and conversations
indicate there is a growing frustration here brought on by the feeling that no on is listening to us.

Ironically, council's frustration with being left unheard at the provincial and federal levels of government seems to have moved them toward similar treatment of its constituents.
It seems the ongoing land disputes and related recovery plan barriers have left members of council feeling isolated and operating in a fish bowl.

The ability to make many important decisions have been taken out of their hands and there is no progress in getting results from those who do have that power to move ahead.

This may form a stronger bond among councillors, which is often a good thing, creating a precursor to accomplishment, but it may bring about an unwanted results by isolating them from everyone else.

More irony appeared last week when council approved a nearly $100,000 expenditure on hiring a communications manager. While the goal was described as an effort to improve communications, the move left many citizens angry and wondering how such an expenditure can be justified among such a small tax base.

And while a few letters to the editor appeared in protest of the move, many others expressed the feeling their protests would only fall on deaf ears and therefore, they would make none.

Council also rejected a request from Grand Erie Energy Quest to make a presentation at council. They were within their rights to deny the appearance since it wasn't on the agenda. But blocking information gathering sessions hardly promotes better communication.

So, while council feels their hands are tied on many issues due to a lack of response from governments higher up, the citizens of Haldimand are feeling an equal rage in having their voices unheard.

There are several local websites dedicated to public frustration with the perception of isolation emanating from all levels of government but most importantly from the municipal level.
While councillors are in the unenviable position of dealing with constituents on a daily basis, something not felt at higher levels of representation, they are also the ones who should have the best understanding of how the voters feel.

If they cannot express understanding and a willingness to listen, surely they can understand the impact this would have on people who are trying to be heard.

And, keep in mind, those who take the time to express themselves are the ones who really care. They are the ones who want to be involved in the public process and without them, stagnation and mediocrity will prevail in any community.

The first step in solving the concerns of both groups is to recognize it's happening and to make conscious, positive steps in resolving them.

In the case of council, this is certainly in their best interest and it is almost certain that any feelings of disregard they have conveyed to the public are accidental, brought about by their own inability to be heard.

They would be well advised to remove any barriers to public input and to demonstrate a renewed willingness to listen.

Together, citizens and council, can then provide a united front, well informed, and cohesive in tackling the issues that currently seem insurmountable.
Article ID# 1157748

Kudo's to you Bob Liddycoat! Through you our "Voices" have been "Heard".


  1. Both excellent articles Donna.

    Haldimand County needs more Janet Frasers.

    Kudo's back to you Donna for what you do!

  2. The editor of the Chronicle is more than wise, he has the inside information that council doesn't seem to have. I would ask why, but I can answer that question. He is listening to the people.

    If council members had a few town hall meetings they would be in touch with the people, but they don't. Why? Is it because they have not time? Or is it because they don't want to hear what the people have to say.

    Council members need to get back down to earth and listen to the people! They have lost touch of the issues, and are fully involved with themselves.

  3. Thank you for the comments.

    I would like to clarify the procedure for appearing before Council. Now what gets me is the County Staff and Council know this procedure as they wrote it, yet the facts don't seem to come out.

    So Bob I have to correct you on the procedure to appear before council; You state this; Council also rejected a request from Grand Erie Energy Quest to make a presentation at council. They were within their rights to deny the appearance since it wasn't on the agenda. But blocking information gathering sessions hardly promotes better communication.

    This is the Procedure as written verbatim by Haldimand County.

    19.2 Delegations

    19.2.1 Any person desiring to present information verbally at a Council in Committee Meeting shall give notice to the Clerk by twelve o’clock (12:00 p.m.) noon at least six (6) days prior to the Committee Meeting. In order to be include on the “Agenda”

    19.2.2 A written brief outlining the subject matter of the presentation shall be provided to the Clerk at the time of the request to appear and will form part of the official record of the proceedings.

    19.2.3 Delegations shall be permitted to speak not more than ten (10) minutes in total per person, per group, pr per organization.

    19.2.4 In case of extenuating circumstances, the Committee may, by a majority vote, permit a person to appear as a delegation who does not appear on the agenda.

    19.2.5 Committee may refuse to hear delegations when, in the opinion of Committee, the subject of the presentation is beyond the jurisdiction of the municipality.

    19.2.6 Delegations concerning labour relations, union negotiation and employee relations will not be heard at Committee Meetings. All signed written submissions received by the Clerk, concerning these matters shall be circulated to the Chief Administrative Officer.

    19.2.7 No person shall be permitted to appear as a delegation to address Council relating to any litigation matters with respect to the County.

    So someone should explain to me why Janet was turned down again?

  4. After reading your last post Donna it seems that you are right. Why was Janet refused to speak?

    Why is it that some people including the press have been telling people that we are not following the rules.

    It seems that Haldimand County Council Members are the ones that are not following the rules.

  5. Nuclear Power Plant???
    Did Haldmand County discuss this with Six Nation???
    Hagersville is NOT in the six-mile’s zone and it is on hold!!!

    Maybe they are jumping the gun???

    Jim Smith

  6. Thanks for your comments.

    Jim what makes you think that Haldimand County has informed six nations on their quest for a Nuclear Plant?

    Haldimand County is not even interested in how their own tax paying residents feel.